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The_Grail_Hermit
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 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Rule Change - Head Shots. |
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| Quote: | | Head/Neck � Out of bounds to melee weapons, (except flails). Any legal hit to the head/neck will result in death. Only Arrows, Javelins, Boulders, Rocks, and Spellballs count toward this target area. Hinged weapons count only on the crown of the head (above the eyebrows and ears) and the back of the head and neck. Headshot are completely out of bounds after dark. |
| Quote: | Arrow Construction
Arrows are generally fragile and are often broken under the constant rigors of fighting. Arrow shafts made from graphite offer a flexibility and resilience not found in their aluminum or wooden counterparts. Wooden and fiberglass arrows must be taped along their entire length. All arrowheads must be removed from the arrow, and the base of the arrow at the tip must be built up with a sufficiently strong material to at least the diameter of a penny, which is used to cap the arrow. Arrows may not be drawn beyond 28 inches, and must have a stopper in place if they are longer. Arrows must have a minimum of 2 inches of closed cell foam on the tip with an extra 2 inches of open cell foam, and it must be at least 2.5 inches in any direction. There may never be tape on the striking surface of the arrow head. The head of the arrow may not be moved easily from side to side. Arrow fletching and nocks must be in good repair, and arrowheads should be checked regularly for degrading foam. It is recommended that all arrows be clearly labeled with their owner�s name on the shaft. Properly colored head covers may be used in lieu of ribbons.
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Note the 2" open cell foam - This provides extra cushion that helps to prevent injury. All arrows will require inspection before use.
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Ambrose
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| From talking to different people in our group, this is going to cause some controversy. In particular neck shots with arrows. I'm not saying any of us make shoddy weapons at all, but over time, weapons do break down. All of our arrow users are pretty responsible, but I really am not too keen on risking the slight chance an arrow shaft breaking through the foam tip due to wear or the one where the foam is legal but somehow manages to slip through. You are literally talking about risking a life here if that happens on a neck shot and the shaft pierces someones neck. |
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The_Grail_Hermit
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's a valid point. Keep in mind however, we require all arrows to have their normal heads removed and replaced with a coin taped to the tip. Pair that with the maximum poundage a bow is allowed to have. you're looking at a low probability of any sort of fatal injury. It's about the same as being stabbed with a melee weapon. If the tip cores, it will do some damage.
I understand the concern though, and if it becomes too much of a hassel, then we'll remove it.
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Ambrose
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I was just voicing a concern that I have thought about and have heard from others as well. The coin definitely lowers the probability of something happening dramatically, and I would certainly hope none of our group would intentionally aim for someone's throat, meaning that a shot striking that area would be accidental, probably aimed at someone's chest or head, which is something that could happen regardless of the rules. |
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wisemonk
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| There are many LARPs out there that are larger and have been around longer than Amtgard that use head and neck legal arrows and javelins, the key to this is making them legal and mantaining them. Which is the responsibility of the maker and bi-weekly arrow checks. Between checks you should test your own stuff at the end of every practice to see which ones need to be fixed. This includes regular weapons maintainance. |
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Omar
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Which ones? Dagorhir is the only LARP I have been involved in that allows it. Not to say that NERO might not, never got involved that much, but I dont think so. Amtgard, IFGS, Melee, HFS... unless I missed something, none allow the head/neck to serve as a legal target.
Personally, the reason I never got into Dagorhir is the head/neck target area rule. They allow it, but wont allow SCA style helms (as in, no grills) to protect the face.
Just seems like too much potential for injury due to either common wear and tear, or getting cought up in the heat of the moment and forgetting to check. Sure, the rules say you should. Sure, that person will be punished, but if someone ends up seriously injured because a shot was aimed for that area and the projectile was broken or illegal... all the good intentions in the world dont matter for much.
Thats just my take on it.
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wvdmc
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Omar,
Getting hit by Dagorhir arrows feels very pleasant. It's like a gently pillow made of gas massaging your nose.
They're extremely safe. That open cell foam does a lot.
That said, I suggest arrow checks every week. All arrows should be inspected at the beginning of the day, JUST IN CASE. Not only wear and tear, but something could get smushed in someone's car or any number of things.
Just seems like we should err on the side of caution. |
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Omar
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Fair enough. I never actually saw a dag group out here that did archery, so all I had to go on were Amtgard arrows.
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The_Grail_Hermit
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| wvdmc wrote: | Omar,
Getting hit by Dagorhir arrows feels very pleasant. It's like a gently pillow made of gas massaging your nose.
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I didn't realize you enjoyed it so much.
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wvdmc
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Oh you don't even know. Every arrow death brought a smile to my face. Also, I think they cured my arthritis and back troubles. They're like a projectile chiropractor |
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